tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post2042586958003635654..comments2023-04-23T00:52:09.478-04:00Comments on Newburgh Can Plant Negotiation And Election Information: Here's A New Can For Ya Dan - The $25,000 Dollar CanA Progressive Hudson Valley Unionhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15782577132189497110noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-16775327545734117732010-08-06T15:15:29.846-04:002010-08-06T15:15:29.846-04:002:52PM - Fortunately Dan you are mistaken. It is t...2:52PM - Fortunately Dan you are mistaken. It is the people who are moving up.A Progressive Hudson Valley Unionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782577132189497110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-49928926842896291272010-08-06T14:52:52.689-04:002010-08-06T14:52:52.689-04:00Sam, you are beginning to sound hysterical. The u...Sam, you are beginning to sound hysterical. The union is going down...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-57826561965278570642010-08-06T07:43:28.373-04:002010-08-06T07:43:28.373-04:00WE know our numbers and THEY ARE STRONG! We are go...WE know our numbers and THEY ARE STRONG! We are going to prove that the workers in MCC Newburgh were BOLD and had a GOAL to get together,protect themselves and get a written contract. <br /><br />We are STRONG and we are SOLID. The calls and emails show that all of you are ready to ROCK.<br />You weighed it out and you know what you want - the IBEW. <br /><br />Let's talk for a minute about those against the union at this point. Not fence sitters. Not someone who is still pondering. The ones DEAD against it at this point even with all of the information out there that points to unionizing as the answer. WE are talking about the absolute NO vote no matter what is said or shown to them.<br /><br />There will be a few of our coworkers who are going to be against the union. No matter what the union does for them. I can accept that.<br /><br />Deep down, some of them feel that excercising their right to form a union is against the company. It isn't - it is for the people - but it is not against the company. That does make sense - it does work. We value our employer and through our CONTRACT the owner will value us and treat us fairly. Sounds like a great situation.<br /><br />To be against that is sometimes puzzling to those who see the wider picture.<br /><br />It reminds me of when some of the slaves were freed in the South. You actually had people who didn't want to be freed because they thought it would piss the master off. Sad, right?<br /><br />They were so beat down that they were afraid to take A STEP forward to accept the opportunity to be free. <br /><br />It was up to the other "ex" slaves who did see the wider picture and UNDERSTOOD WHAT WAS HAPPENING to pick up those who were afraid and SHOW THEM THE WAY OUT TO THEIR NEW FUTURE.<br /><br />They still took care of each other right until the end. They cared about the other guy.<br /><br />Some though, could not be saved and would not accept the help. Instead of taking their freedom, they cowered in the corner waiting to apoligize to the slave owner for even thinking of such a terrible thing.<br /><br />They made a their personal decision based on what was good for the owner instead of what was good for themselves when they had that chance.<br /><br />Let's help bring those people along after the election. Let's give it a really good effort. After that, if they still cower in the corner, we will move on and look out for them in the contract we develop.<br /><br />Some will see the light later than others and we will accept EVERYONE IN OUR UNION - IBEW LOCAL 363 - no matter when that happens.<br /><br />We will care about everyone and we will pick you up when you need our hand. We will not leave you behind as we gain our freedom.<br /><br />STAY SOLID STAY STRONG, LISTEN AND BE POLITE, AND JUST VOTE YES FOR IBEW LOCAL 363A Progressive Hudson Valley Unionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782577132189497110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-28411811532615081212010-08-06T07:04:34.215-04:002010-08-06T07:04:34.215-04:00Jimmy Hoffa from under Giant Stadium.......IBEW is...Jimmy Hoffa from under Giant Stadium.......IBEW is not against anybody. They are just about the workers. I know just as much about Sam as I do Dan. Don't take it personal. The only reason I need Sam is because ABI stopped listening to me 1 1/2 yrs ago when INBEV bought us. Sam is now making them listen. For me its worth 1%. Just like I've heard a million times before.....if you don't like the direction my brothers and sisters are voting then don't let the door hit you in the ass....QUIT! STOP THE BLEEDING.Jimmy Hoffanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-32168229726279937942010-08-06T05:52:53.839-04:002010-08-06T05:52:53.839-04:00Windsor if this goes through hope you guys think l...Windsor if this goes through hope you guys think long and hard that this would be good for you too.We will support you also. Thank You for your support.We have over 50% hanging tough through these stupid union buster meetings.<br /><br /> Thank You Newburgh !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-10623814999743473622010-08-05T22:49:54.525-04:002010-08-05T22:49:54.525-04:00Windsor - we love when you guys come on and tell u...Windsor - we love when you guys come on and tell us you are watching and support us - thanks! Please come around and jump right in to the discussion if you want.A Progressive Hudson Valley Unionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782577132189497110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-58666301586534440092010-08-05T22:47:43.188-04:002010-08-05T22:47:43.188-04:00Newburgh,
Windsor here, just letting you know w...Newburgh,<br /> Windsor here, just letting you know we are watching and supporting you. Good luck!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-29609730703312487842010-08-05T22:36:50.708-04:002010-08-05T22:36:50.708-04:00IMPORTANT POINT:
Everyone please just work hard a...IMPORTANT POINT:<br /><br />Everyone please just work hard and keep quiet. Just do your jobs and do them well. You do not have to defend me or the union or the IBEW.<br /><br />Go to your captive meetings and give them the respect of listening - just report back to me every time as you all do.<br /><br />I will run this ball right into the end zone - you guys just stay clear - I DON'T NEED ANY BLOCKERS. <br /><br />Later you all can say whatever you want - within reason.<br /><br />THE ONLY THING I DO WANT YOU TO DO IS MULTIPLY BETWEEN YOURSELVES.<br /><br />VOTE YES FOR IBEW LOCAL 363A Progressive Hudson Valley Unionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782577132189497110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-62394009597560976992010-08-05T22:29:57.225-04:002010-08-05T22:29:57.225-04:00Waiting for the IBEW - I am glad that you guys rea...Waiting for the IBEW - I am glad that you guys realize Dan is full of it when he talks about me and I think it's great that you guys get mad about it. <br /><br />After all, I am your guy. I am the one who is going to care about you NO MATTER WHAT. Dan would cut your ear off if Brito wanted to polish his cowboy boot with it - and you can take THAT to the BANK.<br /><br />Don't worry about Dan with me. He is either going to get along with me or he'll have a pacemaker in 6 months, one or the other.<br /><br />But don't worry, it is all part of it - I can ANSWER and take anything he says - it's like hitting marshmellows.A Progressive Hudson Valley Unionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782577132189497110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-67401848272048827852010-08-05T22:23:53.890-04:002010-08-05T22:23:53.890-04:00Thank you so much everybody for your kind words to...Thank you so much everybody for your kind words to me in your emails, telephone calls and right here on this site. I promise you IBEW Local 363 will be the BEST CHOICE you EVER made for anything in YOUR LIFE (except choosing your spouse - don't wanna get Momma mad)<br /><br />We are going to build something really great here<br /><br />........together<br /><br />VOTE YES FOR IBEW 363A Progressive Hudson Valley Unionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782577132189497110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-58377997936916391252010-08-05T22:22:58.770-04:002010-08-05T22:22:58.770-04:00You know Sam we have worked very hard on this
for...You know Sam we have worked very hard on this <br />for 4 months and we did this as a large group<br />do they really think we are going to let all of our hard work result in us voting NO ( NOT ).<br />You have been great...Show them how hard you will fight for us.We take it personally when Dan bad mouths you.Waiting for IBEWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-25614261343573836432010-08-05T22:04:16.366-04:002010-08-05T22:04:16.366-04:00Sam we are all ready we will be polite but we know...Sam we are all ready we will be polite but we know what we want and that is youuuuuuuuuuuu!<br />You are a great sales man you sold me a IBEW..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-50431396071907388172010-08-05T21:57:59.074-04:002010-08-05T21:57:59.074-04:00You guys & gals are great we have done such a ...You guys & gals are great we have done such a good job sticking together...soon we will be brothers and sisters lol. Lets all stay strong<br />stay quite don't get in trouble we don't want to lose anyone this time. VOTE FOR IBEW 363GO YANKEESnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-36850091380755556962010-08-05T21:50:23.434-04:002010-08-05T21:50:23.434-04:00I cannot wait to be officially certified by the US...I cannot wait to be officially certified by the US Labor Departments NLRB as your representative.<br /><br />I will be proud to do the job for all of you.<br /><br />Read my Negotiator Ken post - that is exactly whats going to happen. <br /><br />Negotiator Ken: You guys better watch out you could lose a ot of stuff.<br /><br />WORKERS: Oh, the union will force us to lose stuff?<br /><br />Negotiator Ken : Oh no, it is me that will try to make you lose, I just want to point at the union while I do it so you get mad at the wrong person. Remember, I am here to help you.<br /><br />This is like watching old cartoons - I know whats gonna happen.A Progressive Hudson Valley Unionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782577132189497110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-90900073241341287582010-08-05T21:49:23.092-04:002010-08-05T21:49:23.092-04:00Free at last i did the same thing the # I came up ...Free at last i did the same thing the # I came up with is close to yours.<br /><br /> 128 Yes<br /> 30 no<br /> and the rest I don't know they are the new guys.<br />Guys and Gals stay strong and solid we are all most there this will be great !!!Can't waitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-50256553091597898252010-08-05T21:42:59.933-04:002010-08-05T21:42:59.933-04:00Thank you for answering questions in a timely matt...Thank you for answering questions in a timely matter, I've seen a lot of that theese last few days. If the company is reading this wake up and realize all questions are good questions and you don't have time to get back to us! Its not what we want to hear this close to an election. This is exactly whats been wrong with this plant since Dan took over and Dave became his big cheerleader! After theese last 2 weeks of stupid meetings and hearing people ask questions that are never answered, I'm done listening. nothing left but the vote, and thats yes!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-50343405764172110412010-08-05T20:57:33.341-04:002010-08-05T20:57:33.341-04:00By the way corporate is sending in the negotiator ...By the way corporate is sending in the negotiator ken lol. well ken the negotiator meet Sam the unionator lol lol we will sit back and listen to your garbage. We will vote on the 27th and 28th and then we will get ready and set and you will meet our friend Sam. Nothing else to say boys and girls but as porky pig said ttthhats all ffffolks. Unionize and be happy!!!!! Sam are they ready for you. Soon we will see.saynotomanagementshownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-49784848540112116772010-08-05T20:55:21.405-04:002010-08-05T20:55:21.405-04:00I can't wait for when we win and I see Sam ins...I can't wait for when we win and I see Sam inside the plant talking with Dan about our issues. That will be so cool that WE made that happen.<br /><br />I'm in too and I wasn't before. <br /><br />Go 363 Go 363 GoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-62420439931087123662010-08-05T20:51:04.300-04:002010-08-05T20:51:04.300-04:00I have spoken to a lot of people ON EVERY SHIFT an...I have spoken to a lot of people ON EVERY SHIFT and I have a prediction of the election results that I think is going to be pretty close to what actually happens, here it is<br /><br />137 YES<br /> 27 NO<br />164 Total<br /><br />The PEOPLE WIN and we are now IBEW Local 363!<br /><br />That is the math I come up with. Dan forget it you are all done. You are going to need to learn to work with our NEW IBEW BUSINESS AGENT.<br /><br />I have all the confidence in the world that he will work with you.<br /><br />If I have a problem at work - I will be calling Sam - my new IBEW AGENT. Sam will watch my back here at MCC Newburgh from now on. <br /><br />Gonna feel real good everybody, gonaa feel real good!<br /><br />Come on August 27 and 28 you can't get here any quicker for the GREAT MAJORITY OF US!!!!!<br /><br />GO 363!Free at last, Free at lastnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-61703511591398689212010-08-05T20:34:24.171-04:002010-08-05T20:34:24.171-04:00Good points-(cost of living)
Danny Boy,
It is so...Good points-(cost of living)<br /><br />Danny Boy,<br /><br />It is so much more expensive in New York state to live. So when you mention the other can plants wages you should take that into consideration. We do not want alot, just what we deserve. Did your brother lehman try to fight for us when they said nothing will be added to our package? It seems like it is all about you--Danny Boy...Front Ender..noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-45312349640086198332010-08-05T20:33:31.429-04:002010-08-05T20:33:31.429-04:007:17PM - That is a common misconception. Did you r...7:17PM - That is a common misconception. Did you read Joe the Owner of Lightning Express' post yesterday? Well, Joe TERMINATED three employees Friday that couldn't abide by the rules and after getting their fair warning - they are gone. They knew where they stood every step of the way right up to their termination.<br /> <br />IBEW Local 363 UNDERSTANDS very well that we represent ALL of the people. That is why we cannot tolerate someone "messing it up for everybody else" so when people cannot function as a dependable worker they will weed themselves out. That in itself protects the good workers in the plant. Protects their ability to ask to be compensated better because our workforce as a group is productive.<br /><br />UNDERSTAND that when an employee or employees abuse any system, the employers TYPICAL reaction is usually to change the rule and PUNISH the whole place. (LIke YOU ALLLLLL CAN"T LEAVE FOR LUNCH - EVEN IF YOU PUNCH OUT WITHOUT GETTING AN OCCURRENCE - STUPID)<br /><br />Just to demonstrate further IBEW Local 363's committment to excellence, in construction we have a three strikes rule. Screw up three times and we will THROW YOU OUT OF THE UNION. Why?<br /><br />You are messing it up" for everyone else by being a bad employee.<br /><br />SO let's not believe the old company line that we will protect the lazy bad employee. Thats opposite of the truth. (again)<br /><br />Here is what we cannot do in that regard:<br /><br />We cannot discipline employees. Management does that. SO, if there is a lazy employee - getting away with it - THAT relects the poor management skills of the person in charge. <br /><br />The UNION will ALWAYS evaluate the warning, dsicpline or termination and address any unfair decisions for each and every worker. That is a fact. <br /><br />So, we protect all of the workers in the plant.<br /><br />If a worker is habitually a problem, the contract covers discipline, warnings, suspensions and terminations and ensures that they will occur in a uniform and progressive manner. <br /><br />Every contract IBEW Local 363 has covers this - the difference for you will be you will know it, understand it and have a copy of it you can read.<br /><br />Hope that answered the question of the IBEW promoting good work ethics and not protecting anyone who is a habitual violater. <br /><br />It's all in the contract - and you will have one OF YOUR OWN real soon.<br /><br />VOTE IBEW LOCAL 363 AUGUST 27 AND AUGUST 28A Progressive Hudson Valley Unionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782577132189497110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-83567511373271651492010-08-05T20:32:16.764-04:002010-08-05T20:32:16.764-04:00Hey Roxie76 this is about the PEOPLE versus Dan an...Hey Roxie76 this is about the PEOPLE versus Dan and not any one vendetta against anyone. Just look at what we have lost since inbev bought us. Our golf outings our christmas parties our benefits package gets worse every year and the raises have gotten ridiculous. $1000 and after taxes we take home $575 that doesn't even pay for the increases in our benefit package. Also look how they have changed the company 401k site, it is garbage and doesn't show us much and we are paying for that now. A contract can stop all this and thats what it is about. how much more can we lose from year to year. We are all in this together and we hope you are in this with us too. We need yours and everyone's help.<br /> And the person that wrote about the union protecting the lazy people that happens now as we speak. That has happened for a long time. Sam will be fair but he won't just let them shit on us either. its time people lets keep this ball rolling and stick together that is what this is all about. Being union means all the people have a strong say in what we do. this plant is as unified as it has ever been and that is very impressive and that is what will take us over the top. GO UNIONsaynotomanagementshownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-75459617901977266122010-08-05T19:17:50.437-04:002010-08-05T19:17:50.437-04:00There are a few people worried that a union will p...There are a few people worried that a union will protect the lazy and give them reason to be worse, I've tried to tell people that its not what the union is trying to do. People need to understand the union would be there to promote fair treatment and a contract to protect what we have and move on from there. We have nothing without a contract!! Let them know you are there for all of us and not just the lazy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-39227379681320085622010-08-05T18:37:10.853-04:002010-08-05T18:37:10.853-04:005:59PM - I would be happy to come to the plant and...5:59PM - I would be happy to come to the plant and attend a meeting or debate Dan. This would be great for people who would love to hear Dan and Sam speak to them at THE SAME TIME.<br />.......AND answer questions.<br /><br />I'm ALL for it - Dan is afraid to do it. Can ya blame him though?<br /><br />What could Dan possibly tell the people all day to help convince them that they don't need a written contract?.....oh, I know!<br /><br />The 5 year PLAN! Sell THE COMPANY PLAN Dan and maybe the people will fall for it........<br /><br />Problem is that no matter WHAT Dan or Ken or Brito or Tony say today - THEY CAN CHANGE IT TOMORROW BECAUSE THERE IS NO CONTRACT.<br /><br />So even if they had a plan it wouldn't be worth the paper it was written on because it is NOT a contract. Even if Brito wrote it in his own blood, it still wouldn't mean a thing. <br /><br />But don't worry about hearing of their plan - they can't TELL YOU their plan. THEY WON'T tell YOU the plan - because there is none. Which means they can STILL ALWAYS JUST TAKE everything you have AT ANY TIME and you can't say a thing UNTIL ITS TOO LATE.<br /><br />WITH A UNION THEY have to negotiate all changes with you and write them into the contract.<br /><br />WITHOUT A UNION - it's none of your BUSINESS<br /><br />STAY SOLID STAY STRONG, LISTEN AND BE POLITE AND JUST VOTE FOR IBEW LOCAL 363 ON AUGUST 27 AND AUGUST 28A Progressive Hudson Valley Unionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15782577132189497110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8779589689215757737.post-43688546358547723922010-08-05T17:59:43.597-04:002010-08-05T17:59:43.597-04:00Sam keep up the good work keep the people strong
n...Sam keep up the good work keep the people strong<br />no matter what it takes.Dan out on the floor all<br />day trying to turn people away from union.<br />We have come to far why can't you come in the plant to talk to people ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com